Steve Aspin, a retired medical-device inventor and author of Out of Time, describes a 1972 encounter at a Cheshire building site: two hours of missing time and a flying saucer seen through a glassless window that he says exactly matched Bob Lazar's Area 51 "sport model" drawing, which would not be public for another five decades. In Part 1 of his conversation with Matt Ford he also traces the origins of modern abduction research through Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs. https://www.youtube.com/w...