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"Triangles are a result of reverse engineering and sometimes piloted by 'them' and other times piloted by 'us AND them.'" 👽🤝👨🏻 Agreements, and Humans Working Alongside Non-Humans? 🛸▽👽 (This is relatively interesting, and I think you guys are going to like it. It's a little bit long. First, Matt on with Jesse and the clip below.) Matthew Brown (@SunOfAbramelin): "At this point in time, it's possible that, you know, the United States and others have some sort of derivative technology that looks like the big, black triangle, right? There's that famous NIDS study done in the, I think, late '90s or early 2000s where they correlate triangle sightings to naval bases in the United States." ~Lacatski!~ (I can't write about triangles without including the words of Dr. James Lacatski on Weaponized, with @g_knapp and @JeremyCorbell. Lacatski ran the AAWSAP UFO program for the DIA.) Corbell: "We hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value." Lacatski: "It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." ~D'Amato~ Dick D'Amato was a longtime (18 years) senior staffer for Senate Democratic Leader Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia.) "Dick D'Amato has returned from Belgium where he met with Colonel De Brouwer, a 'very interesting fellow.' Dick’s conclusion, again, is that the triangular objects are very plain human craft. ~Jacques Vallée's Forbidden Science Volume 4 - November 1992 ~ Brown: "So either, what's going on is, you know, there's some sort of recurring exchange or...and use of our facilities by whatever is piloting these big black triangles. Or, we have some sort of derivative technology ourselves that operate from these bases. "Jeff Nuccetelli (@Ice_Alchemist11) also described, you know, a big , black triangle coming out of the Pacific Ocean, flying into Vandenberg, basically hovering over the runway at Vandenberg Air Force Base and then disappearing." ~ Nuccetelli at the Congressional Hearing: "I talked to five shaken witnesses who described a massive triangular craft, larger than a football field, that hovered silently for about 45 seconds over their entry-control point before shooting away at impossible speed." ~ Jesse Michels - @AlchemyAmerican: "@TheDylanBorland, also at Langley in 2012." Brown: "Exactly." ~ Dylan Borland at the Congressional Hearing: "At approximately 01 30, I saw an, approximately, 100-foot equilateral triangle take off from near the NASA hangar on the base." ~ Michels: "He sees this triangular craft, seemingly, kind of come out of, or maybe it was hovering around a NASA hangar at the Air Force base, and then it flies at his head. And then it flies off." ~My Tweet from October 2025~~~ Daniel Gockerell on Weaponized, and My Comments 2006, Eglin AFB... Murgia 2025: "This sounds similar to what Dylan Borland says he saw at Langley AFB. If this stuff is so secret, why do they seem so lax in allowing others, who are not cleared, to see it? "If this craft exists... "Is it ours, that we developed own our own? "Is it craft that we constructed and reverse engineered, based, in part, on technology of unknown origin that we have acquired? "Is it a craft of unknown origin that we acquired and learned how to fly? "Are 'they' working with us and showing us how to fly 'their' craft?" ~ Daniel Gockerell: "I step outside, and I look to my left...and I see hovering, about 15 to 20 feet off the ground, this giant, maybe 300 or so feet in length (size of a football field. ~Joe), aircraft. "This just goes straight up and it's dead quiet, nothing, not a sound. I could hear the buzzing from the generator lights, right? So, this gets about to the canopy, like, height, a little over the canopy, and does a slight bank, and takes off. "This aircraft, when it banks, I can see that it's a perfect triangle, and it's gigantic, and it has a white light at each apex of the triangle and a large, white light in the center. And it takes off, and it zips out of sight. I mean, Mach something we don't know." Full transcript and video clip... https://t.co/Q9PsK0ayVi ~End Gockerell Transcript~ (And let's not forgot my friend, Michael Via, who says he saw a "majestic," silent black triangle in 1992 in the Persian Gulf. Watch him talk about it here. ⬇️) https://t.co/apzDT20sdF ~ Brown: "Yeah, I'd be pretty freaked out if that happened to me. Yeah, so, you know, these are all examples of the United States having some sort of relationship with these craft, whether it's our own, gifted tech, or truly a third party, can only speculate. But, you know, I have some good guesses." Michels: "What's your best guess?" Brown: "That there is an exchange or some sort of arrangement with whatever is piloting the black triangles that are not ours? I believe we do have a derivative version at this point, but that is, again, derived from the real thing. And the real thing, there is some sort of ongoing contact and communication, clearly, not just the United States, but other governments as well. That's my opinion." (An agreement between some aspect of our government and an anomalous intelligence that flies the triangles that are NOT our reverse engineered craft? Are there multiple governments in contact with a non-human intelligence and working side-by-side with "them"?) Michels: "And when it flies in the vicinity, there's like, some sort of download that occurs. There's like a transmission of information." Brown: "That's what some people have reported. Again, I did not come across official information. Well, I did not come across information on that in the Immaculate-Constellation briefing." (In other words, Brown is suggesting that he may have come across information about that from sources other than the Immaculate Constellation files.) Michels: "Okay, all right. We'll read between the lines there." ~ (Murgia 2026: Now the interesting part. Does anybody remember when I shared this from Jeremy McGowan? I have posts about it that go back to 2021. This one is from 2024 and I edited it very lightly for grammar and clarity.) Murgia 2024: "A few years ago, in some private group, [Jeremy McGowan] said he was at Lue's place in Wyoming. "Someone shared his comments with me and here they are..." McGowan: "From Lue's mouth to my face while I was at his place for a week back in January [of 2021]. Lue (allegedly): "We know who's in the saucers. We know who is in the triangles. We don't have a clue who is in the Tic Tacs." (I asked a source about that and they said the information (in those three sentences) was accurate. But there's no evidence to back it up so, as with everything here, remain skeptical. More on what Lue allegedly told McGowan in 2021... 👇🏼 ) Q from a Group DM: "So saucers and triangles are terrestrial and Tic Tac aren't?" McGowan: "Not exactly. Saucers are 'ultra-terrestrial.' Triangles are a result of reverse engineering and sometimes piloted by 'them' and other times piloted by 'us AND them.' And the Tic Tacs are a complete enigma." ~ Murgia 2024: "Are triangular UFOs sometimes piloted by us and them, with them being NHI? Do some NHI work alongside us in classified programs? I don't know." ~End 2024 Tweet~ (Murgia 2026: That source who told me those first three sentences were accurate? They backed down from that a year or so later. Did they misunderstand what I was originally asking? Or, did they realize they shouldn't have shared that with me because it was "sensitive" and they wanted to do some damage control? I don't know. I also put out a long tweet a few years ago about OG remote viewer, Lyn Buchanan, talking about seeing what he thought were non-humans working alongside humans.) Buchanan: "I'm 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 that I have seen extraterrestrials working 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ humans in black op areas. In human, black op areas." You can read the full post here: https://t.co/bPqpwufD2Z ~ (Murgia 2026: Here are the names of folks who have spoken about possible agreements between human governments and a non-human intelligence, and/or...Us working with "Them." David Grusch Lue Elizondo (allegedly, since it's second hand) Dylan Borland Matthew Brown Lenval Logan - @Phenomenation (A month or so ago, on a podcast, he said someone told him to look into "agreements," but he didn't say who told him.) Lyn Buchanan And, a contact of mine who brought it up out of the blue a few months ago. It caught me off guard. 👀 Several years ago, in an interview with Project Unity, Sean Cahill (who was there when McGowan spent time at Lue's in 2021) was asked about the "we-know-who's-in-the-saucers" claim. He said, "That's bullsh*t... That is the outline of a fiction story." I'm not so sure. One more thing: I asked Lue about it when he did a Clubhouse event in July of 2021.) Murgia: "If we believe that the Mussolini craft retrieval took place, we may have data from 90 years ago, all the way until now. Is it valid speculation that we know who's inside of some of these craft? And I know you may not be able to answer that. But if this information is classified, like, who's in the saucers, who's inside the triangles, why would that be classified? It's not sources and methods." Lue: "Exactly right. That's my concern. You can only classify information to protect sources and methods, and you cannot...it's illegal to classify information just because something is embarrassing." (I tried again. 🙂) Murgia: "Do we have any idea who's inside some of these craft?" Lue: "Uhh, you know, I prefer not to answer that question right now simply because, umm, I don't have a good response for that. I think we've got a lot of ideas, and I think there's a lot of anecdotal information out there, but at the end of the day, we still don't know entirely what we're dealing with and that's problematic." https://t.co/eID4vSeLnT (We'd all like to know how Brown and the others came to form these opinions about Us and "Them." Did the alleged comments from Lue in 2021 have anything to do with it? Did any of them read about that? Is any of this true? Again, I don't know. But if it IS, I'd say it would constitute a BOMBSHELL. And I rarely use that (overused) word.)

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"A great white is thinking like a great white, and sometimes there's no motivation for what it does other than it's just hungry." ~@LueElizondo on looking at the phenomenon through anthropomorphic eyes When Will Lue Testify in Front of Congress? This is from Alan Steinfeld's Clubhouse interview of Lue in July of 2021 and contains some interesting pieces of information that many (like me) might not remember Lue saying. 8:52 into the interview... Lue: "Am I aware of the notion that there was some sort of retrieval of biological samples? Yes, I am aware of that notion. Am I aware that there may have been some U.S. government involvement in that? Yes, I am aware of that as well. I am aware that people have talked about it and I have heard it as well...regarding, anecdotally, of biological recovery." (The obvious question: Who did Lue hear those anecdotes from? Were those some of the same folks Grusch said he brought to senior staffers on Capitol Hill to brief them on the physiology of the beings? Does Lue have any firsthand info. on NHI bodies or body parts? Photos? Videos? In person viewing of bodies or...live beings?) 12:40 in... Lue: "I want the truth to come out. I want the American people to know the reality of what you pay your taxpayer dollars for me to do. You paid for it, the information belongs to you. The question is, how do we do it without people going to jail, or upsetting the system and causing discord and confusion and panic? I don't think we've ever been this far in the conversation before so we have to be very careful and methodical." (When he said jail, he meant people going to jail for talking about classified information. He references that later in the interview and in my transcript below. As far as upsetting the system? That is what Karl Nell has spoken about, in depth. Many of us want the Band Aid ripped off and the whole truth to be dumped out into the public sphere, asap. But most likely, that's not happening. Also, IMO, no matter how slow and controlled the release of information turns out to be, some people WILL be confused and some WILL panic. But that should NOT stop us from disclosing reality. As Nell said, the pursuit of happiness includes knowing the truth about our world and ourselves.) 14:58 in... Murgia: "If we believe that the Mussolini craft retrieval took place, we may have data from 90 years ago, all the way until now. Is it valid speculation that we know who's inside of some of these craft? And I know you may not be able to answer that. But if this information is classified, like, who's in the saucers, who's inside the triangles, why would that be classified? It's not sources and methods." Lue: "Exactly right. That's my concern. You can only classify information to protect sources and methods, and you cannot...it's illegal to classify information just because something is embarrassing. Let's be realistic, there's a liability issue here, too. There are people who have lost their careers and, potentially, their futures. And can you imagine somebody who reported this information and then all of a sudden got submitted for a psychological evaluation or lost or suspended their security clearance - long story short - loses their marriage and now winds up, you know, ultimately, homeless on the street, all for doing the right thing? I mean, that's a real liability, that's a real fundamental issue now that we're gonna have to figure out because some people have suffered, you know, greatly. You know, I'm not going to be the one to tell you that I've suffered greatly because people have suffered a lot more than me. But it's a real topic, and it's a real issue that we need to be prepared for." (I tried again. 🙂) Murgia: "Do we have any idea who's inside some of these craft?" Lue: "Uhh, you know, I prefer not to answer that question right now simply because, umm, I don't have a good response for that. I think we've got a lot of ideas, and I think there's a lot of anecdotal information out there, but at the end of the day, we still don't know entirely what we're dealing with and that's problematic." (I'm just hoping some of those ideas are in Lue's book. And the comment, "we still don't know ENTIRELY what we're dealing with," suggests they have some idea of what we're dealing with. And again, I'm hoping that's in the book or somebody starts spilling the beans, publicly, soon.) Lue: "That's something that we need to, I think, collectively sit down, and I mean that as a society. I mean that as academics and scientists. I mean that as a national-security apparatus, as politicians and philosophers and everybody else." (Once that happens, and information comes out that convinces even (some of) the most hardened skeptics that we're dealing with a NHI on this planet, that's all anybody will want to talk about. It will dominate the news and, our daily conversations. It will be surreal and I hope I live to see it.) Lue: "You know, there is information that's pretty compelling - and that's about all I can say about that - that says, you know, maybe we're not alone. And, you know, the problem is, we look at everything through anthropomorphic eyes, right? We look at everything in terms of human interests, human motivations, you know, human paradigms. And when you are swimming in the big ocean of the Pacific and a great white comes up to you, that great white is not thinking like a human being. A great white is thinking like a great white, and sometimes there's no motivation for what it does other than it's just hungry." (Lue has talked about this in various interviews but not sure he made the great white comment elsewhere. It's important because it hammers home the point that just because something is bad for humans doesn't mean it's evil, or that the being engaging in the activity is evil. In this case, it's just hungry, and if we're in the water, we're on the menu! A NHI connected to the phenomenon may be engaging in activity solely for survival. But unfortunately, that activity/behavior may be detrimental to our health. Doesn't make it evil. Also, as Lue has said, maybe we're animals in a zoo? Or maybe we're not at the top of the food chain like we've been taught?) Lue: "I think we have to be mindful of the fact that not everything in nature is gonna comport to our, if you will, neat anecdote of how something should behave in this Universe. This is a very large, complex Universe, and every day we're learning more and more about it. And, you know, if there's one thing we've learned is that usually what we subscribe or ascribe to something isn't always the case. You know, again, we look in terms of human-type emotions and human motivations, and I don't know if that's entirely useful here. I mean, if we were dealing with a human, sure. You know, I don't think we necessarily are." (Expand our minds on what may be possible. This is why I don't find the Monroe Loosh theory crazy. It may not be what's going on but it's not something I would take off the table until we learn more. And for those who don't know, the Loosh theory revolves around intelligent beings feeding off us for survival but in a non-physical way. The theory is that we give off a certain substance when we die or express certain emotions and we were created for that specific purpose. More on that in a future post. The point is: We know so little about the Universe and our place in it so don't limit your thinking about what might be going on. Researcher and investigator, Paul Eno, thinks we're dealing with parasites whose only goal is to eat from the energy (or whatever it is) our negative emotions give off. When you watch his lectures, it's hard to completely rule that out. At least for me.) Steinfeld: "When you say people might get arrested, what are you thinking they would get arrested for. if we came forward with some of this? I'm just curious." Lue: "Well, certainly, if classified information is involved. You will absolutely, I mean, you got to be very, very careful to thread that needle. You know, I've tried to been very diligent myself, I don't look good in an orange jumpsuit. I spent my career trying to to to protect my country from from spies and espionage, and I'm not looking to do that. That's not my intent. I want to have a conversation in a productive way where the American people can get answers. But, you know, not go back 70 years, right? And all of a sudden now, the genie goes back in the bottle, and, you know, that's it. I'm not sure that's very helpful." Steinfeld: "Are you ready to go in front of Congress and tell them what you know, if you're called in front of a Senate Intelligence Committee?" Lue: "I have been ready (laughs) for years and years and years. If I am called upon, you damn well better believe that I will be having that conversation."

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The more and more that credible insiders state/imply that human-NHI agreements are a real thing and that we’ve given up “resources” to the Others in return for tech… the more credibility is also given to at least some aspects of the Phil Schneider-Dulce firefight story. Just my opinion.

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