independentOct 22▶

Chris Ramsay: The UFO Crash Case That Convinced Me

What makes Chris Ramsay believe a UFO was retrieved at Aztec, New Mexico? And why does a magician who knows how easily people can be fooled find this case so convincing? The creator of Area 52 returns to That UFO Podcast for a conversation about crash retrievals, secrecy and the growing frustration with UFO disclosure. Chris discusses his investigation with Jesse Michels and researchers Scott and Suzanne Ramsey, reacts to the claims from David Grusch and Jay Stratton, and explains why credibl...