George Knapp Written Testimony — Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection
George Knapp’s September 9, 2025 congressional testimony traces his UFO reporting through government records, alleged witness intimidation, accounts of recovered material, AAWSAP research, and Soviet investigations. He describes a proposed Lockheed-to-BAASS material transfer in California, cites James Lacatski’s account of a craft of unknown origin, and recounts Russian military encounters and an October 1982 missile-base incident in Ukraine. The statement names sources and identifies records supplied to Congress, while presenting extraordinary accounts as Knapp’s reporting and interpretations. It is a separate, seven-page testimony from his four-page July 2023 statement; the 2025 text does not itself name the CIA as the reason the Lockheed agreement failed.
Search extracted document text
Probed searches extracted/indexed text and can show matching pages when page indexing is available.
Document Intel
Source status, provenance, and extraction context.
- Source / agency
- U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
- Type
- Testimony
- Classification
- Unclassified
- Reference #
- —
- Published
- 2025-09-08
- Content Type
- application/pdf
- Pages
- 7
Structured Analysis
Claims and source material extracted from the document text. Timeline context is surfaced in document intel.
Knapp says government records introduced by John Lear drew him into UFO reporting because they contradicted public dismissals of the subject.
It was the paper trail, the massive piles of government documents which paint a very different picture than what the public is told about UFOs.
Knapp alleges that six prospective sources were visited and threatened the day after speaking to him during his investigation of Bob Lazar’s reverse-engineering account.
six people, right in a row, were visited the very next day after speaking to me by government agents
Knapp says Harry Reid believed the United States, Russia, and China had recovered unknown technology and were competing to reverse engineer it.
Senator Reid firmly believed that the U.S., Russia, and China had recovered advanced unknown technology
Knapp recounts Howard Cannon’s account that Barry Goldwater was denied access to suspected UFO material at Wright-Patterson, and says Goldwater confirmed the story in correspondence.
I corresponded with Senator Goldwater in the early ’90s, and he confirmed the story to me.
Knapp says former EG&G manager Al O’Donnell told him a crashed craft and a surviving being were held at Indian Springs before being moved near Groom Lake after 1955.
Eventually, he also said there was a live being housed out there, a crash survivor
Knapp interprets a later, radically different account resembling Al O’Donnell’s story as a change made under pressure; he contrasts it with what O’Donnell had told him privately.
Al had a reason for changing the story. Someone told him to do it.
Knapp describes James Lacatski’s DIA program, AAWSAP, and says contractor BAASS recruited fifty full-time investigators who could qualify for top-secret clearances.
BAASS managed to recruit and hire fifty full-time investigators
Knapp says AAWSAP assembled more than 240,000 case files under Jacques Vallée’s database design and produced over 100 detailed papers, including studies of encounter-related health effects.
consisting of more than 240,000 case files obtained from multiple other collections
Knapp reports that Lacatski said the United States possessed a craft of unknown origin and had accessed its interior during discussions about the proposed Kona Blue program.
the U.S. is in possession of a craft of unknown origin and had successfully gained access to its interior.
Knapp says Bigelow and a colleague negotiated with a senior Lockheed executive for BAASS to receive unusual material held at a California facility, citing a participant in the meeting.
BAASS, would receive a quantity of unusual material that Lockheed was safeguarding at a facility in California.
Knapp alleges that the proposed transfer material’s composition suggested manufacture in zero gravity; he says the agreement was not completed.
its composition suggested it had been crafted in a zero-gravity environment
Knapp cites David Grusch’s sworn 2023 testimony in support of his crash-recovery account and says Grusch now advises Representative Eric Burlison.
Mr. Grusch now works for Representative Burlison as an advisor on these matters.
Knapp says Congress received Russian records he obtained in the 1990s and that he previously shared key papers with BAASS and DIA for evaluation.
The Task Force now has copies of documents I obtained from the Russian Ministry of Defense
Knapp describes a Soviet military UFO investigation running from 1978 to 1988 or longer, followed by Thread III analysis and monitoring of Western UFO activity.
That program lasted a full ten years, 1978–1988, and possibly longer
Knapp attributes forty aerial intercepts, three aircraft losses after firing, and two pilot deaths to Boris Sokolov’s account, and says Igor Maltsev ordered pilots to disengage from UFOs.
in three cases where the MiGs did fire, the planes fell out of the sky. Two of those pilots died.
Knapp says Russian ground-force accounts described disabled vehicle engines, radar and communications, and instances in which personnel became immobilized after attempting to fire on UFOs.
ground forces fired upon UFOs, but the on-the-ground soldiers say UFOs knocked out car engines
Knapp alleges that Stalin tasked scientists to investigate Roswell while the Soviet government later discouraged public UFO interest and continued secret research.
Stalin had an interest and had tasked his top scientists to find out what had crashed at Roswell.
Knapp recounts an October 1982 incident in Ukraine in which a UFO was observed for four hours and missile launch displays activated beyond the operators’ control, then shut down when the objects vanished.
something or someone entered the correct launch codes for the missiles.
Knapp says physicist Rimili Avramenko demonstrated a tabletop plasma-beam device that burned a hole in a razor blade and described it as technology associated with aliens.
It was a plasma beam generator, and he demonstrated what that little model could do, burning an instantaneous hole in a razor blade.
Knapp says AAWSAP analysis of his Russian files identified Unit 73790 as overseeing three UFO programs, and that the full analysis remained in an unreleased DIA paper.
a shadowy group known as Unit 73790, which controlled three separate UFO programs
Chronology extracted from the document text.
Knapp submits seven-page testimony
Knapp’s written statement presents his reporting to the House UAP task force.
Lacatski’s public statement about craft access
Knapp dates Lacatski’s disclosure about gaining access to an unknown-origin craft to 2023.
Follow-up interview with Igor Maltsev
Knapp says a return visit to Moscow yielded an interview with the general who ordered pilots to leave UFOs alone.
Moscow reporting visit
Knapp says documents and interviews from his 1993 Moscow visit described extensive Soviet UFO investigations.
Lazar reporting and alleged source intimidation
Knapp says his reporting on Lazar and S-4 led to contacts with additional sources and alleged threats against six prospective interviewees.
Knapp begins sustained UFO reporting
Knapp dates the beginning of his UFO reporting to 1987.
Ukraine missile-base account
Knapp recounts a four-hour observation associated with uncontrollable launch indications at a Ukrainian missile base.
Soviet military collection program
Knapp describes a decade-long order to investigate UFO sightings and forward the material to a central Ministry of Defense office.
O’Donnell’s reported crash-recovery date
Knapp says O’Donnell placed the crash most likely in 1953 and described the craft as initially held at Indian Springs.
Reported Soviet interest in Roswell
Knapp says Stalin tasked scientists with investigating what had crashed at Roswell.
Reported movement toward Groom Lake
Knapp says O’Donnell described the craft and surviving being as moved near Groom Lake sometime after Area 51 was created.
Referenced In Coverage
Investigative posts, source items, and other coverage that currently cite this document.

Probed ingest of: A New Wave of UFO News - Why They’re Spying on Whistleblowers
WEAPONIZED hosts Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp examine the summer’s UFO file releases, Robert Bigelow’s Trump briefing, the alleged Lockheed material transfer, and disputes over whistleblower treatment at ODNI and AARO. An inserted Senate clip features CIA officer James E. Erdman III alleging surveillance of investigators. The discussion also covers the FBI’s role, a reported GAO audit, White Sands luring claims, Skinwalker Ranch, and international calls for transparency.

Probed ingest of: Mysterious Whistleblower Drops Massive UFO Bombshell
VETTED host Patrick Scott Armstrong interviews Gene Sticco about the 119-page Černohajev archive, a family collection attributed to Soviet aerospace engineer Valerijs Černohajev. Sticco describes its unconventional propulsion and consciousness-linked physics, proposes links to Thread III and AAWSAP, recounts an uncorroborated remark involving Lue Elizondo and George Knapp, and outlines map-based field tests while acknowledging major provenance and validation gaps.
