That UFO Podcast
That UFO Podcast
independentDeep ingestOct 11▶

Probed ingest of: Former UAP Task Force Member: “We’ve Seen Better UAP Footage”

On That UFO Podcast, Lenval Logan speaks with Andy McGrillen about UAP Task Force video review, David Grusch’s latest statements, a large submerged object, Jason Sands and Logan’s own unusual experiences. Matthew Stevens joins to explain Phenom’s proposed chain of custody, sensor capture and privacy practices. The discussion distinguishes firsthand recollections, secondhand reports, speculation and developer claims about the app.

Structured source analysis of a public video

PROBED ASSESSMENT

Lenval Logan describes how the UAP Task Force compared footage and witness accounts, revisits a large submerged object, and explains why he considers the public releases less informative than material he encountered. Matthew Stevens presents Phenom as a civilian approach to preserving recording provenance.

Key Takeaways
  1. 1.Logan recalls a submerged mass larger than a nearby oil rig, with unusual rear coloration and no ordinary propeller-like white water.
  2. 2.He describes combining classified and unclassified sources, comparing analysts’ observations and asking witnesses what happened before recording began.
  3. 3.Logan explains his role alongside Jason Sands on Rogan and shares a separate 1980s account of a bluish figure and a missing ring.
  4. 4.Stevens describes cryptographically sealed media and sensor data, public publishing and collaboration between witnesses, researchers and local journalists.
Why It Matters

The interview identifies two practical routes to better evidence: access to original government-held material and more traceable civilian recordings. Both would let investigators assess observations beyond an isolated clip or a witness’s later recollection.

Evidence Assessment

The underwater recording and personal incidents are described rather than independently demonstrated. Logan distinguishes his access from Grusch’s, and the discussion’s trafficking and nonhuman-conflict stories remain speculation. Phenom’s integrity and privacy assurances are developer claims; authenticated recording history would not identify the recorded object.

Open Questions
  1. 1.Can the original underwater footage be examined with its location, date and sensor context?
  2. 2.Will Phenom’s integrity and privacy design receive independent validation?

Claims remain attributed to the source unless independently documented. Reviewed and edited by an editor.

Source Claims

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Source-attributed episode analysis
  • Source reportedAsserted

    Logan says he received Grusch’s initial inquiry, checked his access and connected him with Jay Stratton during the earlier interagency effort.

    Logan begins by describing how Grusch entered the earlier interagency effort. He recalls receiving a telephone call from Grusch asking about the office informally described as the weird desk. Logan says Grusch later visited his classified workplace and that, after checking his credentials, he connected him with Jay Stratton. In Logan's recollection, Stratton encouraged investigators to pursue leads and raise obstacles with him when necessary.

  • Source reportedAsserted

    Logan says some being-and-craft associations in Grusch’s recent interview resembled earlier proposals, and he lacks firsthand knowledge proving those associations.

    That distinction becomes explicit when they discuss alleged associations between particular beings and craft shapes. McGrillen mentions Grusch's statements about reptilian beings and Tic Tac objects, and other alleged beings associated with differently shaped craft. Logan says he had regarded some such ideas as proposals or informal conversations rather than established findings.

  • Source reportedAsserted

    Logan describes reviewing a small number of UAP videos at a time with colleagues and says he did not see the crash-retrieval footage Grusch described.

    The interview becomes more concrete when McGrillen asks about Logan's work reviewing videos. Logan describes examining a small number at a time and comparing observations with colleagues who might be reviewing the same material or different recordings. He recalls looking at unusual lights, apparently solid objects and imagery resembling publicly discussed jellyfish-like UAP. Asked whether he personally saw the striking crash-retrieval footage Grusch described, Logan says he did not. He says Grusch had access that he lacked, rather than presenting their exposure to records as identical.

  • Source reportedAsserted

    Logan says investigators compared publicly available material with classified reporting to avoid giving pilots or investigators an incomplete picture.

    Logan describes an all-source approach that brought publicly available material together with classified reporting. The purpose, he says, was to compare what each source showed and avoid giving a pilot or investigator an incomplete picture.

  • Source reportedUnverified

    Logan recalls a large submerged mass moving past an oil rig, appearing bigger than the rig, with a rainbow-colored rear feature and no ordinary propeller-like white water.

    Logan revisits an underwater video discussed in his previous appearance. When McGrillen describes the object as aircraft-carrier-sized, Logan qualifies the comparison: what he remembers clearly is a large submerged mass moving past an oil rig and appearing bigger than the rig. He recalls boats and the installation providing context as the camera moved. He describes substantial motion, an absence of ordinary propeller-like white water and a rainbow-colored feature toward the rear that made him wonder about propulsion.

Structure Across Time

How the key people and organizations in this source are involved as events unfold. Built from the extracted timeline — co-appearance here reflects the source’s narrative, not verified coordination.

2026-10-11

Logan interview published on YouTube

That UFO Podcast publishes the conversation with Logan and later guest Matthew Stevens.

2026-09-10

Logan describes lights outside Skinwalker Ranch

Logan dates the observation to September 10 at about 11:11 p.m. during the recent PhenomeCon visit; the year follows the interview’s 2026 context.

2025-01

Earlier appearance on That UFO Podcast

McGrillen identifies January 2025 as their previous interview, when they also discussed the underwater footage.

1980s

Logan dates dormitory-room experience

Logan places his account of a bluish figure and a subsequently missing ring in the 1980s, without giving a specific year.

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